D&D: Posted April 26th, 2016 by Alina

^ 19 Comments to “04/26/2016”

  1. TheGrumpyBear Says:

    I want a live action Ghost in the Shell. Please, O Mighty Anime Gods, allow us, your faithful, a brief departure outside of your realm of animation, that we may see such delight!

    Ummm….. ::Gollum voice:: It’s our birthday and we wantssss ittt… (31 today whee)

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 7:53 am
  2. Jarin Says:

    They could’ve, y’know, not opted for one of the most inherently narratively racist heros in Marvel’s lineup and made a movie about – now stick with me here – literally any female hero on their roster?

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 9:58 am
  3. N0083rP00F Says:

    Hollywood – remaking iconic international media into the visions of randy aging directors still stuck in the 50s …. 1850s

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 11:03 am
  4. KenderBryant Says:

    Have you seen the images of Elizabeth Banks as Rita Repulsa? I think she looks awesome, and really evil, kinda like a cross between Viper from The Wolverine and Effie Trinket.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 11:09 am
  5. Introverted Chaos Says:

    I’ve been advised–strongly by many people–against seeing the movie version of Avatar: The Last Airbender for the same reason. I’ve chosen to take them their word.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 11:41 am
  6. Woodrobin Says:

    Yao, the Ancient One, is usually depicted as male, elderly, and either stereotypicly or vaguely Asian (depending on the artist). Within the context of the comics, he’s from Kamar-Taj. an insular community in the mountains of what is now Tibet. That said, the kingdom was destroyed (with Kaluu and Yao the only survivors) in the 1400s.

    Now, does that indicate that the Ancient One should be ethnically Zhang Zung, Monpa, Qiang, Lhoba? Probably not Mongol, definitely not Chinese. Or would the people of Kamar-Taj been their own distinct ethnic group? Who knows?

    Of course, on a practical level, making the Ancient One ethnically Tibetan would have ticked off the Chinese, and risked losing about one billion potential audience members if China banned the movie. Making the Ancient One ethnically Chinese would have been ridiculous given that he was born in a city in the Tibetan region centuries before much, if any, Chinese people lived there. So, Marvel Studios probably just went a non-comic direction with the character to sidestep that whole gigantic no-win mess.

    On a story level, there’s no reason any Sorcerer Supreme needs to be from any particular culture. The title predates any human culture now in existence by eons. Heck, Agamotto was the first Sorcerer Supreme, and he’s a half-alien god (child of elder Goddess Oshtur and alien God/Entity Hoggoth) who may be as old as the human race. Others (Zhered-Na, Ayesha and Myrddin) have been from Atlantis, and Salome was apparently Sumerian. Strange isn’t even the first American to hold the title: Hiram Shaw was a Puritan who became Sorcerer Supreme in the late 1600s (ancestor of Sebastian Shaw, so Marvel Studios probably won’t use him — tied up with the X-Men licensing debacle).

    I’m happy to judge the movie and Swinton’s performance on their own merits.

    As for Ghost in the Shell, I never watched the anime, have no plans to watch the movie, and no illusions as to being qualified to venture an opinion on the casting.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 1:00 pm
  7. To be honest Says:

    To be fair, a lot of anime characters look pale. Yu Yu Hakusho, Yugioh, Ouran High School Host Club, Sailor Moon. I do agree it would be nice to see a more diverse cast in anime though.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 3:13 pm
  8. Omega5 Says:

    Silly Sarah, not /all/ Anime are about Japanese people just . . . y’know, the vast majority. If this we were talking about a Live Action Fullmetal Alchemist Movie, a largely white cast would make sense, as most of the characters are supposed to resemble Germans.

    Furthermore, a lot of anime kind of muddies the waters, especially if not set in the real world due to Mokokuseki (TV tropes link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mukokuseki) where there is always the balancing act of choosing actors that most resemble the characters, or actors who are supposed to be of the same ethnicity. That said, you should probably favor the latter, though the original creator’s input should be the most important deciding factor.

    All that said… yeah, the characters in Ghost In the Shell are explicitly Japanese and should be, well, Japanese. One could make an argument that Kusanagi isn’t Asian, since she’s using a 100% synthetic body, and using whatever the Default Female Model is, if I recall right. In theory if it’s a western manufacturing company making the cyborg bodies ‘default female’ could be white buuuut that’s still a pretty weak justification.

    Though on a final note: Why do we need a Live Action Ghost in the Shell movie? We have a perfectly good Ghost in the Shell movie already in the anime, and I can’t think of anything from the movie that would be especially cool to see in ‘live action’. Maybe if they’re including Tachikomas. Those would at least be neat to see in a live action environment, but otherwise it feels rather silly.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 3:17 pm
  9. jy3 Says:

    Yeah, Iron Fist and Doctor Strange were kind of going to be problematic no matter what they did, since the entire premise is “white guy gets powers from an Orientalist stereotype”. Though hopefully Marvel can put a twist on it like they did with the Mandarin.

    But Ghost in the Shell doesn’t have that excuse. Also, they’re apparently turning the Laughing Man into “a bitter and vengeful man with a body that is part robot”. (For the five or so of you who don’t know, in the original the Laughing Man was basically somewhere between the Arab Spring and Wikileaks. Not Julian Assange, Wikileaks.)

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 3:25 pm
  10. billbullet Says:

    To play devil’s advocate, if you look at Hollywood’s last attempts at anime turned live action films they all flopped pretty badly (mind you they were terrible films) so by attaching someone with the star/nerd power of Scarlett Johansen to the film they can ensure people will go see it. I think it was a more financial move than a racial one.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 3:49 pm
  11. Dan Says:

    Have to say that I’m planning on seeing Ghost in the Shell, and the knowledge that Scarlett Johansen is in it actually helped me decide to see it. Why does her being cast as the Major actually increase my odds of seeing the show? Because it makes it sound like there’s a good chance it will be a high budget film. I want to see some high tech robots, gun fights mixed with stealth and brain hacking, and I don’t care if the actors look different from the anime to achieve this.

    I didn’t care that the Major’s voice actress was Mary Elizabeth McGlynn either, because adult swim likely wouldn’t have shown the anime if the only option was to use subtitles. I don’t see anyone whining that the Major’s voice actress doesn’t have even a slight Japanese accent.

    Beyond that, the publisher of the manga was happy with the casting, and was glad that more people outside of Japan would be exposed to the story of Ghost in the Shell. While Japanese fans were fine with the casting because they’re used to having casting issues since a lot of their anime has non-Japanese characters, and their live action adaptations are nearly all Japanese. A good example of this being Attack on Titan. One Japanese character in the anime, and an all Japanese cast in the movie.

    People need to relax and understand that entertainment is meant for entertainment purposes, and adaptations need to adapt to support the medium.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 6:54 pm
  12. Mturtle7 Says:

    @billbullet Thanks for the devil’s advocate! Allow me to counter it by taking it a step further:
    Actually, by attaching an all-white cast to the live action anime, they are trying to ensure white people will go see it. This economic “strategy” is not very new, and it’s still pretty damn racist.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 8:23 pm
  13. Lukkai Says:

    @jy3: Seems like some people are still bitter about that whole whistleblower business, if they’re really going that way with the Laughing Man.

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 8:37 pm
  14. Merlin Says:

    I have waxed eloquent about the whole race-changing phenomenon on my own website, especially as it pertain to Ghost in the Shell. The short version is: I’m for it, in this case. The long version, if I may link to my site, is here: https://merlinsmusings.com/2015/10/15/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-change-a-characters-race/

    Posted April 26th, 2016 at 10:22 pm
  15. Gryphion Says:


    Doesn’t fix much, but it confirms the though process they where running with. Now they get to chew on a completely different culture!!

    Posted April 27th, 2016 at 9:23 am
  16. jy3 Says:

    Either that, or they don’t think an American theatergoing audience can handle a plot more complicated than “good guy blows up bad guy”.

    Posted April 27th, 2016 at 10:31 pm
  17. ShuxTehUber Says:

    Omega5, what if it were made in Japan, where the majority are non-white?
    Do you really think Japanese actors should be denied employment because FMA or Attack on Titan are supposed to be set in Germany?

    Add to this the fact that, doing this would be no different to hollywood casting ScarJo as Kusanagi.
    It’s an anime, she’s white, she shouldn’t have been casted.

    The all white Bladerunner and Matrix with its token black already failed to do GitS justice with their constant whitewashing.

    I’m lovving the black Spider-man though. Why couldn’t they cast a black actor to play Peter Parker in Civil War?

    Posted April 28th, 2016 at 2:00 pm
  18. Rook Says:

    @ShuxTehUber A Black Spider-man could actually work at some point as Miles is pretty popular… but the timing is sadly off. To have Miles you almost need Peter pretty well established first (unless they go the bold move of writing off Peter all-together and trying to go straight to Miles as the one and true Spider-man of the MCU, but that would be pretty damn controversial).

    Posted May 2nd, 2016 at 2:28 am
  19. Nerdlord III Says:

    Ok, but to be fair, almost no characters in Anime are actually Asian.
    Seriously, name one actual character that has black hair, black eyes, and non pale skin.
    Are you thinking about Rock Lee?
    You’re thinking about Rock Lee.

    Posted May 6th, 2016 at 1:04 pm