More talking
More talking

Talk talk talk.

News: Posted May 17th, 2017 by Alina

^ 32 Comments to “More talking”

  1. Conster Says:

    Yes, how DARE Dustin still hold the whole thing that Wayne still refuses to apologize for, even though he was the one in the wrong, over him.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 3:13 am
  2. Echse Says:

    Well,

    at least Dustin is not the only one acting like a child. And his position is more understandable than Wayne´s in my eyes, especially if he already stated his condition to talk, and these conditions are okay imo. But we can´t know how he stated these.

    Problem is, when other people get involved into their argument…
    So let the drama commence.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 3:50 am
  3. Michael Chandra Says:

    Oh sure, the two of them are acting like children. “You were in the wrong and I want an apology first”, “No way getting sick of this!”, “You need to suck it up and talk with him without apology because I say so!”, guess who of the three I consider the children here? Hint: It’s not the guy who set strict boundaries.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 4:35 am
  4. Dr Thinker Says:

    That guy talking to Dustin better tell Dustin that Wayne is the person in charge of the Changeling game is Wayne in the next comic strip.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 6:00 am
  5. 100% agree with Dustin.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 6:43 am
  6. Kaunisenkeli Says:

    Wayne should be the one to apologize.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 8:05 am
  7. maarvarq Says:

    I’m with Dustin on this one – “[Wayne]’s getting sick of you …” is not a sign that he thinks Dustin has a legitimate grievance, or that he wants anything but Dustin to apologise to him.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 8:57 am
  8. Song Says:

    God, they really ARE acting like children. This is the equivalent to petty high school drama, and I honestly don’t see how both Wayne’s and Dustin’s friends aren’t grabbing them by the shoulders and saying “HEY!! GROW UP!!”

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 9:07 am
  9. Vol Says:

    No, Dustin’s being a bit childish. Wayne’s being an asshole. He can’t even be bothered to admit things got out of hand and apologize for Dustin getting screwed over, so instead he’s trying to use intermediaries to pressure Dustin to make the first move or just bitching to mutual friends that he’s willing to talk but Dustin isn’t. Either way, if he really wanted to talk he would. It’s not like it would be hard for him to find Dustin. It’s all well and good to tut “be the bigger person” but there’s also having a spine and standing up for yourself. One party is clearly in the wrong here.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 9:09 am
  10. John Smith Says:

    Kiiinda with Dustin here. GM screws up, GM should say sorry before normal relations resume.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 10:37 am
  11. JRandomReader Says:

    So, yeah, Dustin is being a little childish here–but if Wayne is ‘sick of it being held against him’, that phrasing suggests to me that he still doesn’t understand why Dustin is angry in the first place. Dustin’s attitude may be a little unproductive here, but Wayne let a player get away with acting in stupendously bad faith to the lethal detriment of another character, and he 100% owes Dustin an apology.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 11:04 am
  12. Chris Tomlinson Says:

    Honestly I kind of think both are going about this wrong. I personally would be trying to convince Wayne to let me play a character designed to punish the meta gamer.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 12:16 pm
  13. soilent Says:

    Yeah no, I don’t LARP vampire, but even I could tell how extraordinary stupid those decisions were.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
  14. Leoness Says:

    *shrugs* Dustin has a point.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
  15. Ashley B. Says:

    Yes, Wayne should be the one speaking and not this other guy, BUT….

    Dustin, you talk about him swallowing his pride, and yet I see a huge plate of yours sitting in front of you that you insist on ignoring.

    Both parties are acting like children, but I think Wayne is more the (now) scared child that doesn’t want to get yelled at and Dustin is the kid that lets things become personal to an extreme. They both need to put on their big boy pants and talk.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 1:04 pm
  16. SolitareLee Says:

    Yes how ludicrously unreasonable, to set up personal boundaries for when you’re ready to let someone back in your life after they did something that upset you.

    It’s not inherently childish to want to remove someone from your life for ANY reason, and if Dustin said “we can talk after you apologize” and Wayne’s unwilling to apologize, then that’s that. (I personally think Wayne’s an unrepentant dick for not even being able to offer up a fucking apology–COME ON–but even that aside, Dustin’s allowed to just cut someone out of his life if he wants to.)

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 2:25 pm
  17. Scia Says:

    Anyone else think it’s possible that Wayne might be a little intimidated by Dustin?

    Granted, I would hope that a GM would be able to stand up for himself, but speaking from experience, approaching someone who’s upset with you (or at least who you think might be) can be extremely frightening, to the point of paralysis, especially if you have past experience of having trouble expressing yourself and/or getting a word in (which happened at the larp, IIRC). Having someone speak for you might be the only way to speak to someone at all.

    And even if it’s not for anxiety reasons, having a mediator can be helpful. A mediator can help keep tempers in check (or at least try to). Having a go-between can mean having a buffer. Having a third party might actually be a good idea, at least for awhile.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 3:00 pm
  18. Mattsevvy Says:

    All the nerds taking personal offense to the strip. Lol . I suppose it isn’t art until it makes you feel. :-p good stuff.keep the comics coming

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 3:44 pm
  19. Sauron Bane Says:

    I dunno… I’ve been on both sides of this at one point. I can honestly say, holding out for someone else to come to you, to apologize, is not always the best option.
    I get it can be a thing that’s hard, to accept that, yes you are upset, but maybe you need to move past that. With the case here, I do get being upset about how things were handled originally, but, Dustin is not making this any easier.
    ESPECIALLY because they do live together. Dustin is, in many ways, not trying to fix the problem. You don’t fix a problem like this without talking it through. If he was willing to actually sit down and talk it out, he might get that apology he’s looking for.
    As he’s not willing to do that, he is in very many ways, the childish one.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 5:16 pm
  20. AJ Says:

    Have to agree that in general Dustin isn’t acting like a child, he’s acting like a responsible adult in most respects aside from the yelling at someone who he isn’t really angry at. If someone is unwilling to apologize for something that they did wrong then that person is likely to become a toxic relationship. I can see why some people would feel this isn’t that big a deal and he should let it slide without an apology. However Dustin put major work into that character, to have months to years of planning especially that had literally just paid off destroyed by what most people would see as a bad call. If Wayne can’t apologize for a mistake then he needs to not be GMing in the first place. If Dustin was demanding this be undone, or demanding the other player be kicked before he talks yeah then I’d call it childish. All he’s asking for is an acknowledgment that Wayne was wrong in letting that meta game bs destroy something he worked hard on.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 6:26 pm
  21. kwak Says:

    Sauron, this is exactly the problem : Wayne does not want to talk the problem through, but over. He seek not to fix but to deny it.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 6:53 pm
  22. Chris Says:

    I’m disturbed by the number of people in the comments who feel Dustin’s behavior is reasonable. This is not how 2 adults, who are good friends, resolve conflicts. Especially conflicts of this nature. Wayne didn’t steal from, harm, or otherwise injure Dustin. He made an arguably bad call in a game.

    Dustin was certainly justified in being upset. He had an investment in that character. He felt he was cheated. And that is “not fun”. So walk away, blow off some steam, get it out of your system. But then you put on your big boy pants, you come back and you talk to your friend because your LARP character should not be the sole defining characteristic of your relationship if your roommate.

    This is not how reasonable adults act.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 7:31 pm
  23. I bet this guy is just trying to help, and Wayne didn’t even send him.

    Posted May 17th, 2017 at 11:35 pm
  24. cyborg7221 Says:

    Can I just say that I absolutely love any form of art that can draw more than two reactions out of its viewership? In some ways, reading these comments can be more fun than the actual comic itself. And I mean that in the best possible way.
    😀

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 12:36 am
  25. Here is what is boils down too.
    Dustin is upset because he spent so much time and from the sounds of it years on that character. The vampire larp meets Once a Month and has been since 3rd edition(I.E. the end of old world of darkness) that means the game has been ongoing for at least 5 upwards of 10 years.

    Think about that. 5 years of it all just ending, not just ending but because a person made a bad call and you just want an apology. Yes its childish and you know it but your hurt and they don’t see how they wronged you.

    My buddy Steve he did something similar.
    In his vampire game I stacked a 6th generation vampire(and was going to diablerize him all the way too 6th gen)
    But upon realizing he didn’t want me suddenly getting a bunch of new powers from diablerie or stronger he pulled things out of his ass.
    Things that got my character killed, her lair blown up, and much more.
    Not only that but I had the common sense trait and he never said anything he just pulled all this shit on me.
    Worse yet was after the failed diablerie I entered Golconda(which to non-vampire fans means I can go in the sun and don’t need to drink blood. It also means if a vampire diablerizes you then your soul consumes them and you take control of there body because your soul is stronger)
    This was about a session or 2 later. After that I got diablerized by the 6th gen vampire from earlier.
    And then Steve just revoked my entering Golconda
    He still hasn’t apologized and well I’ve forgiven him I still give him shit over an obvious bad call as a gm to which he made that he thinks was fine.
    GM’s are people too and they make mistakes.

    Wayne probably knows what he did was wrong or a bad call but he’s living with it rather then retconing a poor choice which you sometimes have to do.

    Could Dustin be acting better? Yes but what he needs is Wayne to admit he did wrong but then say he’s not changing it because it would ruin the game. And give Dustin a benny such as playing a clan normally not allowed or letting him retain a chunk of his exp just something because of his failure
    And Dustin on the other hand needs to accept it; admit he’s being childish about this and apologize for how he acted after that ruling no matter how bone headed.

    It was what I did with Steve though he hasn’t been an adult back(and he’s older then me)
    Roleplaying brings out the best and the worst in us and we can’t soon forget that.

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 4:35 am
  26. maarvarq Says:

    Chris, it’s symptomatic of Wayne not being much of a friend any more. Screw him.

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 4:37 am
  27. Conster Says:

    Nothing “arguably” about it, Chris – Wayne made a seriously bad call that screwed over Dustin, and when Dustin got rightfully upset, Wayne insulted him. The fact that Wayne refuses to apologize signals to Dustin that he still believes he did nothing wrong, which would make talking to him useless. The “sole defining characteristic” isn’t Dustin’s LARP character, it’s Wayne’s behavior.

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 5:05 am
  28. Rraurgrimm Says:

    @Cyborg7221: can I +1 that? 😉
    The discussion about the situation between the characters – and how people here in the Forum would understand what seems to be going on is most intriguing.

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 5:08 am
  29. Antani Says:

    @Chris, no Wayne didn’t do just that. He made a blatantly bad call and ATTACKED DUSTIN PERSONALLY when he called him out on that.

    The bad call I can get over, being insulted on top of it? You better come with an apology or don’t come at all.

    Ultimately we are entitled to choose who we want in our life, and I wouldn’t want someone who’s unable to admit and apologize for his mistakes in mine.

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 5:12 am
  30. clodia Says:

    Chris – I completely agree with you on all points. Were mistakes made? Sure. Is the situation being handled with absolutely no emotional maturity (by Dustin, as we haven’t seen Wayne)? Definitely.

    This sulking and intransigence is not cute.

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 10:19 am
  31. Michael Chandra Says:

    @Chris: So what, Wayne gets a free ride on needlessly insulting Dustin?

    Posted May 18th, 2017 at 11:35 am
  32. TheMjohann Says:

    Dustin was playing a game where the death of a character that he invest a lot of time in is possible and no matter how that happens he should have known it could happen, its a game. Deal with it.

    Wayne made some bad calls, he know he did. Sure he is right to “get sick of” how Dustin handle it. However. If he want to talk it out then he should not send a messenger. That way he does indeed come off as the one who sits and wait for Dustin to admit fault without admitting his own.

    The Guy. Cant remember if his name ever was mentioned. If he is trying to help, good. But also good luck headbutting down that wall. If Wayne sendt him then i would say Wayne is definitly losing a lot of points in this whole mess.

    Posted May 19th, 2017 at 12:35 am