Renegade
Renegade

News: Posted May 29th, 2019 by Alina

^ 37 Comments to “Renegade”

  1. Daniel S. Mountain Says:

    That RT button comes with so many regrets…

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 2:10 am
  2. Kaunisnekeli Says:

    Welp, that’s Mark crashing out of this relationship and hurting everyone along the way. Poor Ravenia and Damien.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 2:14 am
  3. q`Tzal Says:

    “Go find trouble” does not have very many non-detrimental outcomes and they have a tendency to be only vaguely positive; the wide variety of negative outcomes in this sort of scenario are varied and dire.

    You’re better off leaving to cool off, going to buy some cheeze whiz, then spraying it inside the door handles of their car.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 2:57 am
  4. SaphDragon Says:

    Ohhhhh boy.
    See, now Mark is (in no particular order) risking getting himself banned from the game, verbaly assaulting an innocent bystander, napalming his relationship with Ravenia (rathern than ending it on hopefully amicable terms as just not being right for him), possibly alienating his friends due to his poor behaviour and frankly acting like an adolecent not the adult he is meant to be.
    Sure as hell he’s not thinking rationally, and while that might buy him a little leeway it’s not a vibranium shield from the consequences of his actions.

    Plus he’s looking at potentially puting himself on the outside of two communities (LARP and goth) he spends time with because he is being a jerk.

    I just hope to gawd he does not cross paths with Hadeed as right now I can see Mark managing to throw a gas-can on the dumpster fire and completing the A-hole idiot trifecta and lashing out at annother inocent bystander in his vent-a-thon.

    If you saw there was a different option where you did the sensible thing and you didnt take it, you made a choice. Everything after that choice is your own culpability.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 3:24 am
  5. SeriousBiz Says:

    Poor Damien looks so distraught in the last panel. From his perspective, he’s just entered his girlfriend’s weird little world where people dress up as dogs and goblins to play pretend for a few hours and found that entirely fascinating, he’s met another one of the two guys she likes a lot and ended up finding him absolutely adorable, he’s likely met a lot of potential new friends, and then… bam. He might have found out anyway that some people aren’t fans of spectators at LARP events, but this reaction was certainly something else.

    And yes, Mark, that does sound familiar. Knowing what the mature option is and still going “screw it” because your emotional state is demanding a confrontation head-on. That’s why talking about your fears and worries when you’re in a calmer mood is so important: bottling up your feelings and then letting them all out in a huge explosive tantrum when you’re no longer able to keep doing so is not a constructive way of dealing with them. It’s very easy to sympathize with Mark here (I’ve been there, man) while still acknowledging that he’s handling things completely wrong.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 3:36 am
  6. Shinji Schneider Says:

    Talking about someone beeing foolish.

    That’s why i said place a guard next to the room..

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 4:03 am
  7. Kat Says:

    On one hand, I appreciate that whatever Mark said is so offensive Alina doesn’t feel the need to actually tell us. What he said isn’t as important as us knowing his internal monologue around what he said, even if this is obviously an internal monologue in retrospect. No one has those kinds of thoughts while they are doing that. That’s why you do that. You always feel right, justified and like you’re the one that’s hurt up until they start crying.

    On the other hand, Renegade Triggers that don’t result in a shanking, a shooting, or a kick out of a window (my favorite) are rare.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 4:14 am
  8. Shinji Schneider Says:

    Some people have been asking why we go after Mark but not Dustin. Let me explain the differences between these Situations.

    Dustin was completely ingame. He caught the other Players (And the GM) by surprise. He stayed 100% inside the rules while the other player (and the GM) kept breaking the rules (basically cheating) to keep their “cool storyidea” going, which ended up in Dustins Character (in which he had invested weeks of time and a ton of money) to get killed off.

    When Dustin rightfully got angry, Wayne called him “a bad sport” and overreacting. His refusal to even apologize afterwards is what led to the rift between those two.

    Long story short. Dustin had any right to be angry and the person who should have been apologizing refused to out of false pride.

    Now we have Mark. He’s angry because he’s not the pwettiest boy anymore.
    Yes. He’s dealing with other issues (Sarah & Hadeed, Not being sure about Polyamory, Unsolved issues with his Ex). But RIGHT NOW his temper tantrum is about Damien being prettier and Dustin not agreeing with him, that this makes Damien a horrible person.

    His friends tried talking to him and he lashed out at them. Basically showing that he can’t be dealt with right now.

    Remember what Dustin did?

    He left the game. He removed himself from the game (he was dead anyway). And didn’t stay in the lockerroom waiting for Wayne or the count. Or threw a hissy fit in front of everybody attending the game, no matter how uninvolved they were.

    Mark apparently does though.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 4:29 am
  9. Steven Clark Says:

    I like the Mass Effect Paragon and Renegade reference

    I don’t like Mark’s choice…he’s always been calmer and more sensible than this…

    …guess we’ve found his trigger/berserk button (everyone has one!)

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 4:33 am
  10. Retcon Says:

    Gather ’round kids, and I’ll share the wisdom that comes with age. If I have learned ONE thing in my many, many years on this earth, it is that if you are upset you should never, ever act on it until you’ve slept on it.
    And wearing sunscreen doesn’t hurt either.
    But trust me on the sleeping on it part.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 4:46 am
  11. Oddtail Says:

    OK, this is a minor point, but I really *love* the expression on Damien’s face.

    It gets across that he’s hurt (as he has every right to be), but also shocked and a little concerned about Mark’s reaction.

    I mean, if I’m reading the expression right. If so, Damien seems like a decent dude. I know when I’m yelled at, I’m less “concerned” and more “pissed off”, usually.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 7:01 am
  12. Whelp I will officially be taking a few weeks from the comic.

    Not because it is bad; but rather because it so real. Thank you. I will come back in a bit when I have the spoons to read this emotional disaster in one sitting.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 7:13 am
  13. TheDarkTyger Says:

    Oh….Mark….no….

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 7:31 am
  14. Fabfunk von Cronenberg Says:

    Yeah… been down that path a few times.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 8:01 am
  15. argentlupus Says:

    Mark… you are not Vegeta… however one of my favorite sayings in Latin is “Ialia iacta est” (“The die is cast” in English) nothing to do but grab some popcorn and watch this fallout.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 8:08 am
  16. DocMcConvoy Says:

    Hmm. From what I see, Damien is quite shocked an Ravenia is going protective. And Mark is aiming his anger at her. And maybe… – I emphasise maybe – she deserves it.

    We don’t see everything, and some things happen off-panel, I know that. And we don’t know how long Rav is in a relationship with Damien by now. But I went back to the start of this in the Goth club, when Dustin told her Mark had a messy breakup and she quite instantly jumped at the idea of having him. Very sensitive… not. Followed by actually nearly jumping at him with dancing and a kiss, then leaving the totally confused Mark there without any explanation, cue inducing a lot of awkward moments between Mark and Dustin, at least for Mark. Not so cool. I thought, she talked about it with Dustin beforehand, but now i ask myself, if she also spoke with Damien before this. I mean, I may be wrong about this, but a kiss is at least in a different book to a little dancing, and definitely something to talk about before in a poly relationship. I am not in one and never had one, so please correct me if I am wrong.

    Next scene, the Goth club again some days later. Mark there passing on the game night at Dustins cause of that mess. He is talking to Darren (falsely namend him Craig after his character the last time I mentioned him, sorry) about his Jess-problem. Ravenia swooping in, needing quite some time to get that Mark doesnt know she is poly… or that poly exists. That leads to a conversation letting Marks head explode. Again her leaving him to himself to sort it out. Thanks to Darren for helping him.

    Next time we see them together is when they are on a date. working good so far as i have seen, quite normal, no big blunders. But there are two things to think about: First, he mentions his bad breakup with Jess and its relation to him gaming, and we get to see that they don’t have much topics to talk about besides small talk and minigolf and goth things. And while Mark listens to her goth-things and gossip, she is not very eager to listen to his game-storys. Considering she is dating two gamers, she could at least try to act a little less bored. Maybe nothing mayor, but there is this little vibe, that she doesn’t care for her partners as much as they for her.

    The next mentioning of her with Mark is from a conversation he has with Sarah abuth their relationship, where we see that she tries to get Mark to tell her his problems, but doesn’t seem to get him to actually spill it out. I would guess, thats the point where things started to go south and building up presssure inside him.

    And then we are at the current arc. *sigh* To put it simple, the displayed dynamics between Damien and Ravenia weren quite sensible on Mark, starting with not greeting him in favour of talking to Abbie about hair. Long story short, I won’t accuse Rav of didn’t doing anything to smooth this out before it araised as a real big explosion, but maybe she wasn’t giving it enough thought, or didn’t put enough energy into it, or maybe her impulsiveness got the better over her caretaking for her relationships (if you get what i mean), but the backdraft now is at least a little bit deserved from my point of view.

    Ok, Mark lashing out is dumb as he even says so himself. And his apparent reason for doing so is even more dumb, cause nobody can do something about the way he is born. So Damien is not at fault for that. If there is a legit target to lash out at all, then maybe Ravenia would be the person closest to that, which doesn’t necessary mean, she is somewere near it. It is just that the emotional stress with the polycule and also Sarah being with Hadeed cause a break of Marks damm, and for him Ravenia seems the legit target for the flood now coming, since there may have been a series of little thoughtless mistakes, leading him to view her on the same way as Jess ridiculing him for gaming.

    At this point, I would say, Mark was arrived at the point, where he should see a professional to take a look at his level of emotional stress. Hope this event gives him an epiphany to do exactly that.

    And from the the way of the narrative turning to past tense, he is telling us from a later point in time, when he regretted his descision, meaning more drama incoming, but with a little luck we will see it in fast forward. I expect another bad breakup, followed by maybe some more problems with his friends, also a ST stepping in to calm everything down, maybe Mark loosing a character, and when we see him again, some time will have gone by. Not my favourite form of telling an story, but for now i would crave for it, since this whole thing is tearing me up. I like Mark and can understand his problem, since he is a really late bloomer in lots of ways and so for me in some aspekts still is a little boy, which justifies him throwing a tantrum for me, but I don’t think everyone agrees. And I would hate to see him made into a pariah for that. So props for Joel holding Sarah and himself away from him right now, to defend a path for Mark to find back.

    *sigh* Sometimes i wish, I could just go in there myself and sort things out personally.

    Also props to Alina for another video-game reference like back when Sarah paused to think over Hadeed.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 8:49 am
  17. KSClaw Says:

    “The risk I took was calculated,
    but man,
    am I bad at math.”

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 8:58 am
  18. doLst Says:

    Mark demonstrates that he is one of the 99.999% of people who are NOT cut out for poly relationships!

    Surf Wisely.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 10:29 am
  19. “You know what they say; ‘I’ll burn that bridge when we get to it’.”

    “It’s ‘cross’. CROSS that bridge.”

    “My way’s more dramatic.”

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 11:28 am
  20. Ferret Says:

    God DAMNIT Mark.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 12:00 pm
  21. TB Says:

    Oh, Lord, I used to have games with like sixty save files, all carefully labeled in case I had to back up that far. To be fair, it wasn’t just protection against unwise decisions. Doesn’t everyone want to see what ending scene you get if you actually try to kick Cthuhu in the nuts?

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
  22. Eva Says:

    Interesting… at least one person in the comments was guessing that this might be Mark recounting the shitshow he made of everything after the fact. I wonder if it’s him actually talking to Abby about the whole mess like he said he was going to.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 1:41 pm
  23. Marcelo Says:

    Just realized mark was always a jerk and now I’m sad…

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 5:21 pm
  24. zmortis Says:

    If you aren’t geared for a poly relationship, stay the heck far away from a poly relationship. They aren’t for most people.

    Posted May 30th, 2019 at 5:33 pm
  25. Weatherheight Says:

    I have done exactly what Mark is doing – very different situation, but I went looking for a fight, and boy, did I get one.

    It’s never ideal, but it can – mind you, “can”, not “will” – lead to correcting certain false assumptions and stupid behaviors if all parties are willing to deal with the conflict in a fair and honest manner.

    Hopefully, regardless of the outcome, Mark will at the very least learn something about who he is now and who he would like to be, and just maybe he’ll see a path from where he is to where he wants to go.

    Artistically, this page is wonderful – the expressions are spot on and the lack of spoken dialogue is *very* powerful. After all the lashing out of the last few pages, not having that angry dialogue made explicit gives the reader an emotional break to allow some instrospection about the situation.

    Posted May 31st, 2019 at 12:42 am
  26. Girly_Gurl Says:

    And now we’re supposed to have compassion or pity for Mark – even though he’s acting like an ass. Just because he knows it’s wrong.
    I find the narrative very difficult.
    I am curious in which direction it goes.

    Posted May 31st, 2019 at 5:43 am
  27. Joe Says:

    In all fairness, that’s how I discovered Magus was a playable character in chrono trigger.

    But in Real Life(tm) there’s never a save point. I *do* understand Mark, but that doesn’t justify his actions. He’s ruining the game for everyone. At the very least he could’ve asked Ravenia to talk outside.

    Other than that, what Shinji Schneider wrote is right. Plus, frankly Malk just wanted to steal Justin’s girl.

    On a side note, I’d wish Justin would made up with his friend. A bad game session is no reason to lose a life long friend.

    Posted May 31st, 2019 at 8:13 am
  28. matthew osborne Says:

    Ring….ring…ring….ring.

    Oh hey chapter 1. It’s calling and it wants it’s comic style back. He he he

    No seriously, all the details aside I had missed marks inner-monologues. Also everyone has done this, it is so relatable. He is going to be so regretful and embarrassed in the morning.

    Only ever take the red pill if it is Morpheus offering it to you.

    Posted May 31st, 2019 at 8:19 am
  29. Victor_Callow Says:

    You know… this is getting very real.

    I’ve never been the ‘Mark’ in this situation… but damn have I been the Damien or the Dustin (or in one case, the Joel) a few times… i.e. either trying to talk down somebody that I thought was a friend and have them blow up on me for not agreeing or be hanging out with friends in a situation I’m not familiar with and am trying for the first time and doing perfectly innocent stuff and not realising that somehow, my very presence has upset somebody. In some cases, I’ve also been a successful Dustin, in that I’ve been able to calm somebody down and convince them to cool off and then we’ll try and deal with whatever the problem is together.

    Speaking from experience, they are going to have a very difficult decision ahead of them. Do they trust that this is a one off thing and give Mark another chance, or do they decide that they just don’t want to be near this person anymore? And if they give him another chance, do they expect him to make up for it? And do they start considering in the back of their minds where the line is? What would Mark have to do to make them want to never see him again? Do they maybe think that they could have done something wrong? Do they question what they will do if this happens again? Do they try and have a conversation about putting boundaries in place, or do they get scared about how Mark might react to that?

    And if they do decide to cut ties, how do they even go about that when Mark is in many of the same social circles? Do they let it impact their lives by retreating from these things that they previously always enjoyed doing, or do they risk him blowing up on them again for avoiding him?

    In other words, this is not what I signed up for when I started reading this comic… but damn, I can’t look away.

    Posted May 31st, 2019 at 12:40 pm
  30. Sigmoid Says:

    Some nerdology thoughts from a polyamorous ex-gamer…

    Mark is clearly acting like an asshole. There is really no way around that. I really love how much thought apparently went into this story, the character reactions are really realistic, and I think there’s a lot to learn from this, both as a Mark and as a Ravenia in a situation.

    DocMcConvoy totally nailed it on the Ravenia side. Also, as an addition, “hey I’m bringing my primary to watch the monkeys with me at your game” is really not something anyone should ever think / say / do. This goes beyond bad judgement. After the fact, acting like you’re on a date at the zoo is probably even worse.

    As for Mark’s reasons… It goes beyond Damien being prettier than him. It’s quite clear that Mark still has some self-image issues around gaming, and to add insult to injury, remember it wasn’t him who conceptualized his character. Being a puppy was kinda pushed on him as friendly ribbing, and I guess he’s okay with it as long as it’s in his protected little nerd kingdom.

    But now there’s a really cool guy around, who loves the same girl he does, and clearly if he’d have met Damien as his jock or goth self, it may even have settled as a good-natured male rivalry thing, as Damien may be glam as f, but Mark is more traditionally masculine. However, he’s playing pretend, and pretty much playing the least cool character in the bunch, so it’s pretty understandable for him to feel threatened.

    Mark could have stopped it at the beginning, by not going to the game, and/or asking Ravenia that he’d rather meet up with Damien and Dustin for a coffee or dinner rather. From his perspective, considering his feelings, that would have probably been for the best. So the lesson of the story is, listen to your feelings.

    As for Ravenia, yea people are not zoo animals, regardless what kind of weird things they might do for fun.

    Posted June 1st, 2019 at 9:19 am
  31. TheDarkTyger Says:

    While I can’t really defend Mark blowing up like this, blame isn’t an “either/or” thing. As was pointed out above, Ravenia made a serious blunder herself. Mark’s been in this relationship how long and she’s only JUST NOW introducing her “primary”? That seems…seriously ill advised. It should have been done at the beginning before so much emotional investment had been put into the relationship. Catch the jealousy early and either sort it out or give him chance to realize then that it wasn’t going to work.

    So, Mark’s in the wrong here, definitely. But I’d argue that Ravenia is as well, at least to some degree.

    Posted June 1st, 2019 at 11:43 am
  32. HousePet Says:

    Gosh no, I just do a whole run through where I do all the wrong things. So much less time wasted with the load game button and wishing I’d saved some time earlier.

    Posted June 1st, 2019 at 8:25 pm
  33. Rikunda Says:

    It is like watching behind glass from another room. Pounding against the glass to stop, but it never gets through.

    Posted June 2nd, 2019 at 5:37 am
  34. SailorBard Says:

    Honestly, I thought one of the points of Poly was that everybody was to be treated as equals, specifically to avoid someone not feeling good enough, to keep them from feeling like the third wheel, like mark is feeling here.

    That said, Mark’s being an idiot and is probably going to cost himself several friends here.

    Posted June 2nd, 2019 at 12:31 pm
  35. MasqueradingDragon Says:

    Oh dear God. It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion with Mark these days. I’m still enjoying the comic and the story line, and I understand that life is complicated, but this is starting to get hard to read again.

    Posted June 2nd, 2019 at 3:06 pm
  36. Dirichlet Says:

    Dammit now I need to go play Mass Effect. Big thigh quarian gf for life

    Posted June 2nd, 2019 at 8:58 pm
  37. Mobius572 Says:

    This is how I felt coming out to my parents.
    Wish I could reload that save.

    Posted June 3rd, 2019 at 12:44 am