Spit take
Spit take

Wonder if she’s watching The Mandalorian?

News: Posted December 3rd, 2019 by Alina

^ 26 Comments to “Spit take”

  1. Scia Says:

    YEAH!!

    Seriously, can we end the attacks on trying? They can be REALLY bad for self-esteem, and an easy ticket into depression (speaking from experience). -.-;;;

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 3:22 am
  2. Bagge Says:

    Hah! She saved the quote for when it really mattered. A+ therapisting.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 3:31 am
  3. Wanderer Says:

    That’s right, she’s a “geek”. Over in the furry fandom, we have a lawyer who joined up last year as a result of a convention issue, who quickly found out just how many other lawyers he knew were already members.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 4:31 am
  4. Oddtail Says:

    Mark, that’s not a spit-take-worthy situation.

    Star Wars is not some niche nerdy thing. It’s a decades-old franchise. People who have little interest in fantasy and science fiction know enough SW through pop culture to be able to quote it. Most, at least in the US, have probably seen the original trilogy at some point.

    If Mark sees a person he doesn’t see as a geek (which the spit-take seems to be implying, I don’t know?) referencing Star Wars as shocking, he DOES need to reevaluate his notions of how shameful his hobbies are and who will judge him and who will not. He seems to have a view that his hobbies are freakishly weird and out there. Sure, LARPing and tabletop RPGs are not QUITE mainstream, but those interests are not that out there.

    Mark seems to have his weirdness scale strangely calibrated. He’s ashamed of his interests, but he also overestimates how unique he is. Which is a strange contradiction and, admittedly, interesting to explore. Which I hope will happen.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 6:25 am
  5. leoness Says:

    Yessss! One, surprise Mark, geeks are everywhere. Two, I love Yoda, but I have always disagreed with that quote. Honestly trying, even if it doesn’t succeed, even if you have to try again, is a skill and a strength.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 7:23 am
  6. werefrog Says:

    The Werefrog, when a teacher, told the students to not try. To do it. To do their best, but never try. The Werefrog never did the Yoda quote for them, but instead, created a new quote.

    “Try is an excuse to fail. No one who succeeded ever said they tried.”

    Do the best you can do. Always phrase as a do instead of a try. Once you get into that mindset, then you see that your world changes.

    It’s similar to Dr. Glasser’s Reality Therapy, which is rather effective in combatting a number of behavioral issues as well as certain mental disorders. For the latter, however, it should only be used by a trained therapist who can recognize that the particular disorder would be helped by it. An amateur attempting to use it could do more harm than good.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 7:58 am
  7. Kobold Says:

    HAH! Therapist AND geek. Very sympathetic 😄

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 8:13 am
  8. Daniel S. Mountain Says:

    A reminder that no one with both the intelligence and drive to earn a doctorate could be without a few hobbies… or miss completely out on pop culture while they’re killing themselves for a piece of paper.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 8:17 am
  9. CelticDragon38 Says:

    THANK YOU!
    I fricking hate that Yoda line. Having that sentiment pounded into you from a young age results in being mentally paralyzed with fear of failure. And unable to improve well in the long run since mistakes get included in the “failure” category.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 8:22 am
  10. Richard Weatherfield Says:

    That was one of the best reveals I’ve ever seen in any form of media. I had NO idea the therapist was even remotely interested in gaming.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 9:34 am
  11. Frank Says:

    I really love that PFFT! Face 🙂

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 9:41 am
  12. argentlupus Says:

    I do not think he was expecting the therapist to pull that card out. Excellent use of the spit take!

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 9:55 am
  13. Mark Says:

    Did anyone else read that Yoda quote in a Yoda voice? I bet that’s when Mark spit out his tea.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 9:59 am
  14. Annonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness Says:

    That whole Yoda do or not do, there is no try quote is such a load of horse pucky.

    Trying and failing is how a human learns.
    Learning from someone else’s failure saves on medical bills.

    Then there is maxim 70
    Failure is not an option – it is mandatory.
    The option is whether or not to let failure be the last thing you do.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 10:28 am
  15. Velgar Says:

    Oh, Mark. Never lose that innocence of yours.

    Being surprised by that is pretty much same if after Mark sheepishly admitting he got to second base with a girl, someone cried out: “OMG! You are into sports too?!” XD

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 11:04 am
  16. Beth Says:

    Didn’t expect a therapist to have geek cred, huh?

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 11:42 am
  17. Chug Says:

    I keep wondering where they all live– I’ve spent my entire life on the west coast and I’ve never met anyone who cared about whether or not you liked ‘nerd stuff’. But my brother did med school on the east coast and said he couldn’t even admit to knowing what Star Wars was because he would be immediately mocked and shunned.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
  18. Eva Says:

    LOL, best geek therapist <3

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 1:28 pm
  19. HousePet Says:

    I was waiting for something like that. 🙂

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 6:19 pm
  20. Psity Says:

    You know, a real therapist needs to consider the posibility of Luddism and him holding on to regressive behaviour in order to avoid the real issues of his life, such as the obvious emotional distance between him and the ones he used to consider important in his life.
    See, he may not be a “loser” but that does not mean he is not being “childish” or evasive.
    Sure, it´s fine to play games. But when such games are the emotional center of your life, then i have to wonder if you even like your life.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
  21. Vagabond820 Says:

    Wow. It is surprising me how many people have missed the meaning behind Yoda’s statement.

    To paraphrase Werefrog above, the statement “I’ll try is setting up an excuse to fail.” It is a statement that is mostly used to indicate that you already expecting to fail but will do the thing to meet others’ expectations. To attempt something and fail is still doing and their is no shame in this; It is how you learn. But to ‘try’ means that you are already starting from a position of failure and attempting to succeed while often putting in less than your full effort. When you do this, you usually learn nothing because you don’t reflect on the failure for a solution as you have already established one from the start.

    Just analyze the scene:
    “[Luke’s X-wing sinks into the swamp]
    Luke Skywalker: We’ll never get it out now!
    Yoda: So certain are you. Always with you it cannot be done. Hear you nothing that I say?
    Luke Skywalker: Master, moving stones around is one thing. This is totally different.
    Yoda: No! No different! Only different in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned.
    Luke Skywalker: Alright, I’ll give it a try.
    Yoda: No! Try not! Do, or do not. There is no try.
    [Luke concentrates, and the X-wing begins to rise out of the swamp. A moment later, however, it sinks the rest of the way, with Yoda and R2-D2 both expressing their disappointment.]
    Luke Skywalker: [tired] I can’t. It’s too big.
    Yoda: Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you, hmm? And well you should not, for my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. [looks around him] Life creates it. Makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us, and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Everywhere. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere. Yes, even between the land and the ship.
    Luke Skywalker: You want the impossible. [starts to walk away]
    [Yoda sighs, then concentrates on the ship. Using the Force, he raises it out of the swamp and places it safely on dry land, then looks back to Luke.]
    Luke Skywalker: [astonished] I don’t believe it!
    Yoda: That is why you fail.”

    Luke has already made up his mind that he is incapable of performing the task of lifting the X-Wing and that any attempt to lift it will fail. So when he says “Alright, I’ll give it a try” with an exasperated sigh, he is actually saying “fine, to shut you up, I’ll attempt and fail to lift the X-Wing”. He already assumes failure as the result.

    So Yoda tells him to do or do not. He is telling Luke to be honest with himself and give it an honest attempt or to not even bother. To not assume the outcome before even attempting the challenge; to open himself to the possibility of success or at the very least to learn from a failure. However, Luke doesn’t understand the meaning of Yoda’s rebuke and ‘tries’ to lift the X-Wing still assuming failure which is exactly what occurs. And then Luke, having his preset assumption confirmed with a failure, uses his excuse to explain away the failure instead of learning from the experience: “I can’t. It’s too big.” His ability to learn anything further from the experience just stops as he fails to analyze any further than ‘it’s to big’.

    Thankfully, Yoda being a good teacher forces Luke to analyze the situation instead of relaying on his preconceived assumptions. He transforms Luke’s unwillingness to learn into a learning moment by forcing him to challenge his preconceived bias of what could be done. He lifts the X-Wing resulting in cognitive dissonance and the challenging of Luke’s beliefs, forcing him to process this new reality and either accept or reject it. And then drops the mic by answering Luke’s amazement at the assumed impossibility by stating “That is why you fail”. Notice that his only mention of failure is not to admonish Luke for failing to lift the X-Wing but for Luke’s failure to learn from the experience and grow as a Jedi by holding on to his bias and belief that it couldn’t be done.

    ‘Do or do not, their is no try’ said another way is ‘if you assume you can’t, you are definitely correct ; if you assume you can, you are probably correct’. Challenge your bias and beliefs in order to grow via a learning opportunity or give up.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 8:14 pm
  22. DocMcConvoy Says:

    Well, that spit take really made my day. I laughed so hard it hurts. Thanks for that.

    Regarding that Yoda quote: I give supplementary lessons as a private tutor, so I am used to my students producing more errors then getting it right. Still, I always encourage them to still try it, even when they are not sure what to do.

    Therefore I often tell them a story about one of the inventors trying to get the lightbulb working (there were loads of them): After one of them succeded with his experiments, he was interviewed, and was asked, how many tries he had to undertake, and the expeiments without success exceeded one hundred by quite a margin. Still, he kept on trying, learning from every error at least, that this was not the right way to do it. Sure, all he needed would have been a working way, but still, at least he found out one more way, that didn’t work, so he could narrow it down till he found the right path. But if he had stopped at one point, all his errors would have been for naught. So, they just became a part of the long way to success.

    And thats also the reason why I encourage them to just cross out their errors and not use tipp-ex or something like that, so they see not only that they made a mistake, but also what mistake they made, so they later won’t make that mistake again. Quite hard to get this concept in their heads, when they are always driven to keep their exercise-books neat and tidy. *sigh*

    So yeah, I’m clearly on the therapists side regarding her addendum to the quote.

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 11:19 pm
  23. Ari Says:

    My opinion on the famous Yoda quote.

    So many folks say, “I’ll try”. And maybe at the second they mean it, but there is no follow through. Think New Years Resolution.

    Yoda says do or do not, there is not try. He said nothing about success. In other words get off your bum, and do it. Doing it, even if you fail, is a lesson, that can lead to a greater incidence of success next time.

    You cannot succeed or fail if you do not do.

    So to me he was saying knock if off with the copout

    Posted December 4th, 2019 at 11:49 pm
  24. Old Brit Says:

    “Do or do not, there is no try”
    OK, Do not I will.

    If teacher doesn’t want me to try, I won’t even bother.

    Posted December 5th, 2019 at 5:49 am
  25. KlarthWolffang Says:

    People. I think the meaning of the quote got a little too literal here. I have never thought that “Do or do not, there’s no try” has never been stated that you cannot fail. This quote is a simple lesson in commitment and the power in giving something our all — not just giving it a try.
    If you DO NOT, you can always TRY AGAIN. But if you start TRYING, you will not use your full potential.

    Posted December 5th, 2019 at 6:40 am
  26. CelticDragon38 Says:

    Everyone pointing out what Yoda actually meant:

    We aren’t missing Yoda’s point. You’re missing the meaning of the sentence by itself. The original sentiment behind it doesn’t matter when the conversation with Luke is removed. That line alone is a truly shit way of saying it with a completely different meaning than the full conversation because, in plain English, ‘try’ means “make an attempt”, and ‘do’ means “achieve”. Plus, a lot of us who hate that saying have had it and similarly-phrased sentiments used on us in that damaging way.

    Lecture about the quote in the context of the movie all you want, but that’s not always how it’s used in real life, even by people who saw the movie. It’s not Yoda’s lesson, it’s the contextless soundbite we take issue with.

    Posted December 6th, 2019 at 9:18 am

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