A little twitchy
A little twitchy

What’s up with Joel now??

Also, Katie says wash your hands, everyone!! Hope you’re all staying safe out there.

News: Posted March 17th, 2020 by Alina

^ 16 Comments to “A little twitchy”

  1. Alex Says:

    Was he? I don’t recall seeing a phone out in any of the panels he’s been in since he arrived…

    Posted March 19th, 2020 at 1:14 am
  2. Jme Says:

    I feel a proposal coming up…. *squee!*

    Posted March 19th, 2020 at 3:57 am
  3. Venator Animarum Says:

    He’s Planning To Betray Them.

    Posted March 19th, 2020 at 4:49 am
  4. Jeff Says:

    I would say that Hijinks games are not his speed. Nothing wrong with preferring more serious type games with actual stakes where things happen instead of screwing around in a tavern for five hours accomplishing nothing of substance.

    Posted March 19th, 2020 at 8:44 am
  5. Phaethon Says:

    No, no phone was visible.

    Prediction: a) proposal (for extra romance hijinks) b) Mark stuff (for extra drama hijinks).

    I don’t think anything else would be important enough for Joel to not be fully invested in a game :luwl:

    Posted March 19th, 2020 at 12:27 pm
  6. Phaethon Says:

    Also: Abby is clearly not ‘OK’ with the Mark problem, and Katie is (probably subconsciously, so as to avoid conflict, but still…) changing the subject before Abby can raise her concerns.

    This has been the equivalent of “I have this deeply unpleasant thing that needs to happen, please do it instead, sorry for bringing it up out of the blue, it’s been bothering me for a while, now let’s talk about something ELSE that’s bothering me, OK?”

    I SINCERELY doubt that Alina was intending it to be read this way, but as someone who has been on both the receiving and the dishing-out end of social manipulation, this is social manipulation 101 and seeing it from the outside is bloody hair-raising.

    One thing I CAN agree with Katie on: Wash your hands, folks, and, if you can, open the door of lavatories WITHOUT touching the doorknob. It’d have been even better if she’d used her elbow. 😀

    Posted March 19th, 2020 at 12:40 pm
  7. Kaunisenkeli Says:

    @Phaethon: It could be a job offer that he’s considering which would require him to move.

    Posted March 20th, 2020 at 1:23 am
  8. Ducky Says:

    I suspect there’s offspring in the offing.

    And regarding all the commenters who are saying Katie is so selfish for involving Abby here… Okay, yes, it’s an uncomfortable Situation for Abby and I feel bad for her. But does everybody really think it’s that monstrous to ask a friend for help with something that clearly bothers them? Isn’t that kind of a thing friends do?

    Posted March 20th, 2020 at 4:06 am
  9. Michael Chandra Says:

    @Ducky: Friends don’t force friends to pick between friends. Forcing Abby to endanger Mark’s mental health by playing messenger of bad news in a time he’s depending on her, is not something friends do.

    Posted March 21st, 2020 at 8:20 pm
  10. Krixous Says:

    Nah not that awful I play alot of online dnd and have gotten that end of the stick so often it does not even phase me, I have had to deal with being the boot for other people when its come to sexual harassment, toxicity, racism and just general major awkwardness (I had to lay down the law to two players who got divorced final arguement mid session and still wanted to be in the campaign neither willing to leave it was horrible both got kicked did not take sides) So as someone who has been in Abby’s shoes it is not fun to be that person but you have to understand not everyone can do confrontation the sheer weight of the pressure from not being able to act on their thoughts crushing them so yea while it sucks to do this it is better then letting it fester and possibly destroying a group in general.

    Posted March 24th, 2020 at 2:36 am
  11. @Ducky: She’s not asking for help. She’s asking Abbie to take responsibility for something SHE should be doing.

    Posted March 24th, 2020 at 12:58 pm
  12. AJ Says:

    @Ducky It wouldn’t be if she was Asking. The problem is she isn’t. “I hope you can tell him that for me.” no question mark indicating inflection. No wording of “Can you tell him that for me?” Just a statement of wanting her to do something then the subject whiplash in this one. Which locks Abby into telling Katie no she won’t and having to be assertive, which often gets misread as being aggressive, or doing this despite not wanting to. If Katie had asked, Abby could back out gracefully but as it looks based on the writing, I can only base tone off punctuation and font, she’s semi pinned Abby into doing this.

    Posted March 24th, 2020 at 9:19 pm
  13. Anon Says:

    @Ducky Usually, yes, friends helps friends but in this case no. Abby, Katie and Mark all all friends. From what we’ve seen Mark and Katie aren’t as close of friends as Mark and Abby but they’re all still friends with one another. The problem isn’t that Katie is asking Abby for help with something that’s bothering her. The problem is that Katie is forcing Abby into the middle between her and Mark and trying to get her on her side over Mark’s while not really caring about how it may effect Abby. Katie isn’t comfortable around Mark anymore because of one single out of character moment. She’s so nervous around Mark, who she has deemed a “violent man”, that she’s asking Abby to deliver her message for her when she’s clearly concerned about said “violent man” shooting the messenger. All the while refusing to let Abby get a word in edgewise that might dispel her concerns. She’s judging Mark for one instance and shunning him even though she has spent enough time with him that she should really know him better.
    I’m a woman and I’ve been around violent men. Abby’s right. Mark’s not violent. He’s usually nice and naive, like a big puppy. I could understand somebody he doesn’t know drawing the conclusion that he’s violent but Katie, as his friend, should realize that that one moment wasn’t like him and try to help instead of regarding him as a pariah. That one page speak a lot to the kind of person Katie is and how much she really values her friendships. I used to like her.

    Posted March 25th, 2020 at 6:14 pm
  14. Pahlavan Says:

    @Anon While you’re not wrong, from what we’ve seen so far in this comic characters are rarely that shallow. Just like Mark is fighting deep insecurities stemming from (among other things) a somewhat abusive parent, it’s very much possible that Katie had traumatic experiences with actually violent men and is thus overreacting herself. She doesn’t seem like a person to be deliberately manipulate Abby, more likely she’s distraught and thus acting in a non-ideal manner. I trust Alina to write her characters well.

    Posted March 26th, 2020 at 10:51 am
  15. Corneel Says:

    I feel that a lot people in the comments are somehow forgetting that Katie, concerning Mark, is talking about a fairly circumscribed set of situations wherein she does want to avoid Mark: her as DM and him as player. That leaves a lot of social situations still open.

    And having DM’ed a lot in life, for close friends, even then sometimes the decisions you take can get people quite riled up. While you’re not playing against the players, you do have a sometime antagonistic role and I can imagine that if someone has shown they might react violently, you might not want to run a game for that person when you might have to take actions or decisions they don’t like.

    Posted March 27th, 2020 at 5:46 pm
  16. Phaethon Says:

    @Corneel I don’t think anyone is criticising Katie for not wanting Mark at her table. I do think her reaction is too strong and I do think that her own personal bias against ‘violent men’ is colouring her decision, but I say that from the safe position of an outside observer. She is fully entitled to exclude Mark from her games.

    The main criticism people (myself included) levy against Katie is how she has handled notifying Mark of this. As you say, she wishes to avoid Mark under a very specific set of circumstances – that is when she DM-s. AKA, social circumstances that she will be organizing. If a DM wishes to exclude a player, they are fully entitled to do so, but it is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to inform the player.

    Again, it’s not unreasonable for Katie to ask for Abby’s help under such circumstances, especially if she’s afraid of Mark’s reaction. If she had e.g. asked Abby if she could be present when she told Mark (to provide support and safety), that would have been a perfectly valid handling of the situation.

    The problem is that she has not ASKED for anything: she TOLD Abby that ‘she hopes she can tell Mark’, effectively dropping her in the social deep end, and immediately changed the topic avoiding any objections Abby might have. That is both a) shirking her responsibilities as a DM towards her players and b) socially manipulative.

    TL;DR It’s not what Katie wants that is the issue. It’s how she goes about getting it.

    Posted March 28th, 2020 at 1:41 pm

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